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Feb. 21st, 2013 01:20 pm
helwen: (Due Consideration)
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So, if you don't have much money and you want to get animal proteins that are non-GMO/GE and no sodium-nitrites, what's available besides eggs and tuna? Thoughts?

And on veggie equivalent, I'm aware of combining beans w/ rice or corn but I don't digest beans well.

poultry?

Date: 2013-02-21 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bytchearse.livejournal.com
I'm not sure of any Shop-Rite stores near you but our carry "Readington Farms" brand chicken that meets those quals. It's $1.89/lb for that whole birds, and sometimes on sale cheaper than that.

If that may work for you let me know; I'm planning to head for Sturbridge this Saturday and perhaps can meet you with 2 of those birds :-D

Re: poultry?

Date: 2013-02-21 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Thanks, appreciate the offer but I don't think I'll be traveling far this weekend (as in probably not out of Ashfield). But I'll keep this possibility in mind for the future!

OK

Date: 2013-02-21 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bytchearse.livejournal.com
Let me know!

BTW, with beans if you use the boil/soak method and add some baking soda to the water (teaspoon or so) that helps break them down. Also, if they are boiled for 10 minutes or so *after* they are softened for cooking, most of the toxins that cause upset are cooked out.

Re: OK

Date: 2013-02-21 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Ah, interesting! I'll try that next time I'm making beans.

Re: OK

Date: 2013-02-21 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bytchearse.livejournal.com
And with the initial soak, omit all salt; that tends to keep them tough longer. Also, Sarah bought a pressure cooker since old beans put up a fight before they soften.

Re: OK

Date: 2013-02-22 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
A large chopped onion instead of baking soda has the same digestive benefits without the nutrient breakdown that baking soda causes.

(The way we cook beans so I can digest them is to soak for a full 24 hours, drain, rinse, and then cook in fresh water with a large chopped onion added in. They're more digestible for me if cooked in the crockpot for 5 to 9 hours than if cooked stovetop, too; the long slow cooking seems to help, in addition to the other tricks.)

Re: OK

Date: 2013-02-22 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
Oh, and we always salt beans ONLY after cooking, never at any earlier stage, because salt interferes with their ability to absorb water and keeps them hard. Although that said, cooking them with ham or bacon or seaweed doesn't have the same hardening effect, so there's salt and salt.

Re: OK

Date: 2013-02-22 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Thanks for the cooking tips -- I think I'll actually try cooking beans this coming week! Or maybe sooner, but weekends are still tough to plan....

Interesting about the different types of salt, too. Well, different types of sugar work in different ways too, so why not salt?

Re: OK

Date: 2013-02-22 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
Bingo.

We recently went back to cooking with honey instead of sugar, and I've been reminded of how very differently my body processes honey than it does granulated sugar, even turbinado and other relatively natural sugars. My body also processes different types of salt very differently. The parallel may well hold outside of my own personal ecosystem, at least to some degree.

Date: 2013-02-21 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosecanon.livejournal.com
do you have room to raise a hog?

Date: 2013-02-21 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Rabbits might be possible this year...

Date: 2013-02-21 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Possibly sometime down the line, but I doubt this year. Chicken coops come first. We haven't had time/ability to do outdoor construction, so they're still at the family farm.

Date: 2013-02-21 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylvari.livejournal.com
I know someone who raises rabbits for meat and they live local. Maybe you can trade eggs for rabbit meat?

Date: 2013-02-22 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
There's a thought! Just for a little variety...hm, wonder if anyone's raising rabbits up here?

Date: 2013-02-23 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylvari.livejournal.com
Coureton raises rabbits. I would start with him.

Date: 2013-02-21 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
if this thought isn't too disturbing, some of your own chickens? The worn-out layers used to go into the pot on most farms, after all.

There are other veggie equivalents that don't involve beans, soy derivatives, or gluten, but I would need time to find them and right now I'm in a hurry. Will see what I can rustle up later on.

Date: 2013-02-21 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
L's mom has mentioned it a few times. That would be 20-30, and into the pot is right as layers don't have much meat on them. It may come to that, altho probably spread out over time.

I'm stressed out at the moment because the mortgage company recalculated our mortgage payments with a 72% increase... We emailed the letter to our guy who worked with us to put a package together originally, and he is going to find out what's going on. We understand that the original figures were estimates, but being off by 72% is just ridiculous.

check your contract

Date: 2013-02-21 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bytchearse.livejournal.com
They shouldn't be able to unilaterally change the terms

Re: check your contract

Date: 2013-02-21 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Our guy thinks they made some mathematical error. He's on it.

Re: check your contract

Date: 2013-02-21 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Yup, he found the error and has pointed it out to someone who has the authority to intercede. Someone put the PMI figure for the _entire year_ into the formula where the _monthly_ amount should go.

Re: check your contract

Date: 2013-02-22 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
That's a lot better. JM told me to tell you that a 72% increase constitutes predatory lending practices and should be reported to the state, but if it was a clerical error that's probably not necessary.

Date: 2013-02-22 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
The mortgage company wants kicking. Soundly.

I did some checking and the way to avoid beans is to combine various grains, but the gluten free grains involved (millet, quinoa, teff, amaranth) aren't that much cheaper than meat, per pound... at least not given the prices of meat and GF whole grains here. Some of them are more expensive than meat. So never mind that option.

Date: 2013-02-22 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Thanks for that though -- good to know what directions to _not_ go in, too. Also, while I'm not keen on growing grains for human consumption (processing is a bit of a nuisance), we will be growing some for the chickens so I might harvest a small amount each year for us. We're not sure, but we think there's some wild amaranth in our area. I definitely want to poke my nose more into wild foods this year, of all sorts.

Date: 2013-02-22 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oakmouse
Welcome!

Wild foods are good. We've been investigating what grows around here: purslane, lambs' quarters, chickweed. Some of it has too much oxalic acid for me, but some is safe and we're looking into what we can grow in our yard so we know it's clean enough to eat. (The local wild deer population is afflicted with E coli. Field greens or other uncooked wild vegetables aren't safe around here anyplace deer have pooped and infected the soil.)

Date: 2013-02-22 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calygrey.livejournal.com
The cheapest is always chicken, followed by pork. Shop the sales only. Home raised chicken is never cheaper, 'though leftover layers and people's unwanted rooster would be.

Date: 2013-02-22 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Thanks, I had a feeling that was getting to be the direction to go in. If we can manage to build relatively secure quarters, we also want to get more into pasturing for our layers, which could certainly be extended to other small critters.

Date: 2013-02-22 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardengirl6.livejournal.com
I'd say rabbit! But I'm biased :)

Date: 2013-02-22 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
:) That may have possibilities down the line. We definitely will be working on figuring out what goes where this year!

Date: 2013-02-22 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardengirl6.livejournal.com
If you decide to give rabbits a go, I'd be glad to barter some brood stock for maple syrup....

Date: 2013-02-23 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-jade-01.livejournal.com
Gardengirl6, I adore your icon!!!

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