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The folks at The Automatic Earth blog, among others, have been reading the legalese for Secretary Henry Paulson's plan to "save" the banks with a Federal bailout, trying to get it urgently rushed through. Full post at above link, but here's an excerpt to give an idea of what they're talking about:

The plan that Paulson and Bush urge Congress to accept as fast as "legally" and practically possible, gives the Executive Branch, in the office of the Secretary of the Treasury, full, unlimited, and unchecked powers over the nation’s financial system, the entire economy, and even attempts to provide far-sweeping power over international finance. Of course the Treasury completely depends on the Federal Reserve to execute its policies, since only the Fed can "print" money.

Congress is side-tracked into a spectator role, and the courts of the country will not be allowed to judge the legality of any action the Secretary decides upon. The plan also implies that $700 billion will be provided "at any given time", which leaves open the possibilty of limitless funding, depending on how many "given times" there might be.

I am not a lawyer, and I have no doubt that even the most intelligent and experienced members of the legal corps will have trouble deciding on these issues. But I don’t see how there can be any doubt that the courts need to study a plan like this, before it can be implemented. The plan itself expressly states that after the fact, they are not allowed to.

I have read many smart people tackle the issue in the past two days, and the only one among them who hits the nail square on the head is Russ Winter. His contention: the $700 billion provision does not constitute a bail-out, it will be used to create a tar pit, in which financial institutions can be liquidated at will.


And of course where is the Fed going to come up with the money to help out the banks? From the taxpayers of course -- you know, all us folks who already don't have a lot of money? Read. Consider. Decide if maybe now is a good time to write your senators and reps.

It is for me.

Sad

Date: 2008-09-22 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bytchearse.livejournal.com
But I don't need a blog to tell me it's a power grba. Any time the Gov't tells me it's doing somehitng for my own good, I know it's just the opposite.

This is gonna be ugly.

Re: Sad

Date: 2008-09-22 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Sadly, I did need it. I had no idea about the handing over of congressional powers to a few people.

Re: Sad

Date: 2008-09-22 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bytchearse.livejournal.com
It's been happening by degrees, which is why normal people(ie those who live outside DC)see something that is wrong but somehow it disappears from the news quickly or we get a "Go back to sleep; it's under control" news stories.

Re: Sad

Date: 2008-09-22 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring specifically to not knowing about the handover of powers in regard to the Federal bailout plan.

As regards other rights we've been losing (Patriot Act crap, etc.), that I've been all too aware of.

Date: 2008-09-23 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyperbard.livejournal.com
Yup. This is real crap here. I dislike the word Depression -- but I have heard it now on several networks cnn-type, and cnbc-type too. I've been pndering on and off about it, and I'm not even a math person by the general sense. But graphs are very visual and leave a mark on me, and I've wondered since the thing with the stimulus packages. It freaks me out because I'm on meds, I'm on disability, I'm unsure about things therefore.

Bail-out was a bad idea nevertheless. Despite my fears about my own monetary security, I have worried about this bail-out mess because I didn't think it would help more than as a bandaid, and I was right judging by cnbc's news today about certain companies. And yeah, where will they get the money for this anyway? I've wondered that too.

This election year has been very very weird. Whoever does get in there had better work to fix this problem, instead of more bandaids we can't afford.

Date: 2008-09-23 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
The most dangerous part of the plan is that as currently written it will permanently hand over fiscal decision-making to the Treasury Secretary, who would no longer be controlled by Congress. Even the Court will not have any say.

This is bad. This is why I posted and am encouraging people to contact their senators and representatives. We have to at least try to stop them.

Date: 2009-05-19 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vonblueguy.livejournal.com
The current Obama Bailout Plan (http://www.obama-bailout.us/) is on progress but we have to do our share in coping with the economic crisis the country has for years now.

Date: 2009-05-19 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
We are coping. We're doing the best we can, at least the 'we' here on the farm -- can't speak for the rest of the country. The Bailout Plan has good intentions (and yes, I voted for Obama), but quite frankly I don't think that some of the banks being bailed out should be, especially when they're using the funds in such poor ways. And they complain about all the restrictions, when if they'd only restrained themselves in some ways, they wouldn't have had to deal with it all in the first place. A lot of people in banking and investing behaved for years as if they could do anything and it would be all right and it would make money for everyone, and paid no attention to the realities of limited resources.

The gov't can only get so much money out of taxpayers, with more folks going into the unemployment line (and yes, I know it's slowed down some, but it is still increasing). The alternative is printing up more money, which they have done. Continuously printing out more paper money devalues the money -- this should make sense to anyone. Gold and other metals are valuable in part because of their rarity, not just their physical properties. If we had a lot more gold available, people wouldn't be after it to wear as jewelry to show off as status symbols. It is the same with paper money and bonds and the like -- make some whenever you like and it becomes devalued. Then what happens when someone wants to cash in?

I don't expect miracles overnight. But I also don't think the plan is realistic enough or tough enough.

And quite frankly, the idea that our way of life (not mine personally but the perceived "American" way of life) being non-negotiable is a piece of crap. Obama himself said in his inaugural speech that this didn't need to be defended or changed, that it was fine to want to have everything people were used to having. But it isn't. Not everyone can have a flat screen tv, 2 cars, drive as much as they want, overheat their homes in cold weather and overcool them in hot weather.

We are supposed to be responsible adults, and we are not the only people on the face of the planet. The economy as currently run, with the idea of infinite and ongoing growth, is unworkable and has to change.

Short Addendum - apology

Date: 2009-05-19 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com
Sorry if the response is rather strong. I generally try to be polite, but you pushed a button.

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