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helwen ([personal profile] helwen) wrote2013-02-27 11:01 pm
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Milk Industry

If you drink milk, read:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_27092.cfm

U.S. Dairy Industry is petitioning the FDA to approve aspartame as a hidden, unlabeled additive in Milk, Yogurt, Eggnog and Cream -- cuz like, aspartame is safe...

[EDIT: My thanks to gardengirl6 for sharing this on FB!]

[identity profile] math5.livejournal.com 2013-02-28 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Why on Earth does milk need any sweetener?

[identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com 2013-02-28 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
To make it lower-calorie for kids, according to the article; I haven't read the whole petition. So they'd take out some of the fat and put in fake stuff.

Me, I like whole raw milk, but the gov't fell into the common but completely illogical trap of trying to get people to lose weight by eating less and exercising more.

[identity profile] calygrey.livejournal.com 2013-02-28 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
That is revolting. I love milk. Real milk. Just milk. I don't want it ruined. Yuk.

Time to buy a cow.

[identity profile] embermwe.livejournal.com 2013-02-28 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, if you drink milk, and read the article, and have a comment to make to the FDA on the subject, they have a comment area on the page that will be accepting input until sometime in May.
Reasonable and educated comments backed with facts posted there might make some difference.
I already don't use much dairy, as lactose intolerance runs in my family. If this ruling goes through, I expect I shall eschew dairy entirely.

[identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com 2013-02-28 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup, I'm over there right now making a comment. It's a personal comment however, not one backed with facts, aside from the fact that I can't consume anything with aspartame in it.

I don't do a lot of dairy, and mostly raw milk, which still has the enzymes in it for help with digesting milk, or cheeses like cheddar, which is lactose-free.

Goat cheese works okay for me too :)

[identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com 2013-02-28 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.regulations.gov/#!searchResults;rpp=25;po=0;s=Docket%252BNo.%252BFDA-2009-P-0147;fp=true;ns=true

That's the search string I did for finding the petition, Docket No. FDA-2009-P-0147, to make a comment on the petition.

In the ID fields, for Organization I put NONE and for Categories I chose Individual Consumer (bottom of list of choices).

[personal profile] oakmouse 2013-03-01 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I read the entire actual petition. The text of the petition requests that flavored milk products (not all milk products) that now must be labeled as "reduced calorie" because of the use of non-nutritive sweeteners along with the flavoring agents (eg chocolate) be permitted to be produced without the "reduced calorie" label. It actually says in the petition that the non-nutritive sweeteners would be listed on the ingredients label.

In other words, they want to change the standard that requires flavored dairy products with non-nutritive sweeteners in them to always be labeled as "reduced calorie". That's all.

In other other words, completely not what Mike Adams is claiming it says.

This is why I never trust Mike Adams in anything, for any reason. When I was writing the health newsletter for work, I found that this kind of lies and distortion is standard practice for him. If he says the sky is blue, you can bet it's raining. Or snowing. Or a tornado is coming in.

[identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com 2013-03-01 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I just read the actual petition as well, which I should have done before posting. But it isn't just for flavored milk, although that is the bulk of the petition; in the last paragraph they say that they think the situation is the same for the other dairy products (listed at the beginning of the petition) and ask that this matter of labeling be considered for all the products at the same time.

"They state that it is most efficient to consider all of the proposals together. According to the petition, the requested changes to the additional dairy standards present the same issues as the milk standard, and it is therefore appropriate to consider all of the requested changes together."

And the question the FDA asks is "Would the proposed amendments promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers?"

For careful people like us, I would say it probably doesn't make a difference. But if the container doesn't have anything on it that references the reduced calorie content, will everyone who eats or drinks these produce actually read the ingredient list? They should, of course, but I think most people just grab and go.

I was glad to learn that Adams was wrong about the ingredient listing and that it's the "reduced calories" labeling that's under discussion.

So all the important information would still be present, which is good and I'll definitely have to watch Adams' writing a lot more carefully in the future, but I still think it's deceptive and only really useful to the milk industry. They're using the milk as the focus (It's for the children!), but kids don't use creamers and people of all ages consume eggnog, yogurt, cream, etc., so while the industries are using the "It's for the children!" card, they're actually targeting their entire consumer base.

[personal profile] oakmouse 2013-03-01 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
You've brought home to me the extent to which I'm used to being inside all of this stuff, after years of the newsletter. I did a pretty crap job of explaining some aspects of this, because I already have the background and didn't step back from that and say "H won't know this". Sorry!

The added bit toward the end of the petition asking that the FDA amend the definition of all forms of milk cited is basically not part of the main petition, it's an "oh and while you're at it", and unlike the main body of the petition may be completely ignored by the FDA at its pleasure. It's kind of like the teenager asking for the car to go someplace and then as a supposed afterthought also asking for $20 for gas: it's audacious and presumptuous, and even if Mom or Dad hand over the car keys they may tell the kid to pay for his or her own gas. The milk industry is making a bet that the FDA will choose to address their PS, but the actual call is in the FDA's hands.

Current Federal labeling requirements for aspartame, due to the phenylketonurea (PKU) issue, mandate that the front of the package be labeled clearly, in a box or on a banner, to indicate the presence of aspartame. Other non-nutritive sweeteners don't have the same requirement as they don't, according to current scientific consensus anyway, contribute to any known disease. (The consensus is actually debatable, but Federal regs don't see it that way.) So in the petition, the milk industry is shining by the fact that it would still have to banner the containers of any product sweetened with aspartame. I'm pretty sure that the FDA would not have the power to grant the milk industry the right to drop the aspartame banner, because that isn't an FDA regulation, it's a Federal labeling law and FDA can't change those on its own recognizance. The FDA can, however, fail to enforce the law and thus could let the milk industry just kind of forget all about those pesky banners. Shucky darn!

I should also clarify that just because I despise Mike Adams for being a lying liar who lies a lot*, especially if his lies enable him to sell product, doesn't mean I think the milk industry is a bunch of innocents. Like most corporate industries, they're a bunch of slimeballs who will do anything to sell product and who don't give one single damn about the consumers they deceive and/or injure in the process. They're definitely trying to do something dishonest and inappropriate here, which may hurt innocent consumers, and taking steps to try to stop them is entirely appropriate and wise IMO.


*(Some day I'll tell you about some of the more egregious lies I've caught him in, or the way I used to save my main article to use it to debunk some of his worse deceptions.)

[identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com 2013-03-02 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Oy. Thanks for the clarifications.

Big Ag... that "ag" would stand for "aggravating", right?

[personal profile] oakmouse 2013-03-02 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
*snorf* Well, big agriculture is definitely aggravating, so, yeah. ;)

[personal profile] oakmouse 2013-03-03 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, and happy birfday!

[identity profile] helwen.livejournal.com 2013-03-03 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you :)